NOTES ON OSAS: ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED VS. PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS

SCRIPTURE. “But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the Lord your God who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to draw you away from the way in which the Lord your God has commanded you to walk. So you shall remove the evil from among you.” – DEUTERONOMY 13:5, AMP

QUOTATIONS

STANLEY. “I know from experience that until you settle once and for all the question of whether or not you are eternally secure, joy will elude you. Therefore, it is my prayer that God will use this book in your life and that in the very near future you will be able to face life with the confidence that comes through knowing you are eternally secure.” – Charles Stanley, Eternal Security, 2002; edited

SPROUL. Those who argue against the Doctrine of Eternal Security say Paul was here [Hebrews 6:4-6] clearly denying such a teaching and warning against it. Since it hardly seems likely that [he] would warn against the possibility of such a fall if indeed such a fall were manifestly impossible.” ― R.C. Sproul, Can I Lose My Salvation? 2019; edited

1. FIRST THOUGHTS

Turns out the trouble began to happen quite literally a very long time ago, in a place far, far away. The individual who lit all this fire and fury about the theology of salvation (or Soteriology) was named Aurelius Augustinus Hipponensis (354-430 AD),more widely known as BISHOP AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO REGIUS, located in Roman North Africa.

Regarded uniformly as one of the most brilliant and influential theologians in all Christian history, it seems that even geniuses can screw things up pretty nicely if they’re not very, very careful. Which is why I do what I do with great fear and trembling, combined with spurts of occasional boldness as God’s grace insists upon it.

Specifically, one assessment reminded that Augustine wrote, somewhat confusedly,  TWO TREATISES: The first was entitled, “On the Predestination of the Saints,” and the second, “On the Gift of Perseverance.” In the first, Augustine reaffirmed that Predestination is in no way based upon foreseen merit in the elect. All a man’s strivings in his own strength to achieve holiness of Life apart from the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit are in vain. In the second treatise Augustine tried to show that the “Perseverance of the Saints,” by which he meant (in modern terminology) The Eternal Security of the believer, is not dependent upon the good works of the individual believer which would result from his conversion, but entirely upon the constancy and unchangeableness of ‘God’s elective choice.’ – EDITOR, “The Origin of OSAS,” TRCM (Sunday Stream), ret. Mar. 10, 2023; edited

TWO ERRORS. The Early Church was understandably getting its act together during the first 300 years of the formation of the Canon, as it moved from proto-Christianity to Catholicism in the process. Augustine was perhaps the central player in the solidification of Church Doctrine during that Era, and for the most part fought the right battles as with his writing against Pelagianism and other errors of hermeneutics.

But Augustine also delivered two nearly fatal blows to subsequent Church history and doctrinal clarity in that he was arguably the first prominent Church authority to (1) ALLEGORIZE THE PROPHETIC. This one stroke nearly destroyed forever the Futurist Hermeneutic that is so crucial to Scripturally “discerning the times” (cf. 2 Chron. 12:32). Following in the misled footsteps of Philo, the Jewish philosopher, and Origen Adamantius, this enormous miscalculation later helped to consolidate the errant schools of Historicism, Idealism and much more devastatingly, Hymanaean Preterism.

As one theologian put it: “[Citing John Walvoord] ‘Augustine is, then, the first theologian of solid influence who adopted A-Millennialism [non-Literalism].’ Walvoord also acknowledges the negative influence of Augustine, when he notes that Augustine ‘in fact, occasioned the shelving of Premillennialism [the view of the early Church; cf. John Wheeler, Jr., 2018] by most of the organized Church.” – DR. TIM WHITE, “The Influence of Augustine’s Hermeneutic on Contemporary Evangelical Theology,” Feb. 14, 2020; edited

The compound impact on Catholic and Protestant theology has been, to put it bluntly, devastating to a knowledge of the Truth concerning the ‘Parousia’ [Second Coming] of Christ to this very day.

Augustine’s second error has to do with something called (2) MONERGISM: The view within Christian theology which holds that God works through the Holy Spirit to bring about the salvation of an individual through spiritual regeneration, ‘regardless of the individual’s cooperation.’ 

Although in fairness Augustine was what we might call a “Soft Monergist” for reasons I don’t have time to detail, his slight deviation from orthodoxy ended up in the heart, mind and on the desk of JOHN CALVIN centuries later that formed what I would call “Hard Monergism.” That is the clearly heretical notion that everything is predetermined by God’s will, effectively nullifying Human Choice along the way, abrogating one’s personal responsibility for evil conduct, or more seriously, one’s eternal life.

Ironically, Calvin had originally promoted the Perseverance of the Saints by arguing ‘once saved,’ the Christian can only follow with doing good works because all from that point forward is a spiritual fait accompli. He simply cannot, not obey. Selah.

Here is a telling quote from his Institutes of the Christian Religion first published in Latin in 1536: “We are God’s: ‘Let His wisdom and will therefore rule all our actions.’ We are God’s: Let all the parts of our life accordingly strive toward Him as our only lawful goal (Rom. 14:8; cf. 1 Cor. 6:19).”

Sounds right of course, but there is the unmistakable nuance that all is determined by God’s “wisdom and will” that rules in our lives – ‘once saved.’

THE CONSEQUENCE. As thousands of subsequent Bible scholars, theologians and erstwhile evangelists would later tinker with these Two Departures from the Canon, we came to inherit the Doctrinal Whirlwind today in the form of HYPER-GRACE CHRISTIANITY, the very bane of the American Church in 2023.

That is to say: Once saved, the truly ‘Christian’ can do nothing to injure his salvation. It is sealed forever no matter one’s conduct. Without an oceanic Wave of Repentance across all the Church and then the Society at large, we shall never ever be the same as we once were.

1. PROSPERITY, HYPER-GRACE & NATIONALISM

Trying to trace the History of Heresy in the American religious experience in this short space is like trying to pour an ocean into an 8-ounce Tumblr, but here we go anyway! Thanks be to God for leading me to an excellent summary of that ranging history by ROSS DOUTHAT, former Pentecostal convert to Catholicism, Church historian, with previous editor stints at The Atlantic and New York Times.

Say what you will of his eclectic theological credentials, I found his thinking stunningly fresh and vastly more insightful than today’s run-of-the-mill boys and girls who ‘play’ with Scripture as they were rigidly taught by their staid seminaries. Douthat, by contrast, has run the gamut across virtually all doctrinal landscapes and arrives at a crisp critique of American Heresies that is compelling reading.

And eye opening. Here is a taste of his thinking, taken from a summary of his epic, Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics (2013) by FR. TED HOCHSTATER, “A Recent History of American Heresy,” published on July 21, 2014 (edited).

It is long, but it is brilliant, well worth the ink.

“Douthat’s subtitle is interesting: ‘How We Became a Nation of Heretics.’ For by Orthodox or Nicene Christian standards America has not just recently become heretical but was conceived and trained in heretical ideas of the 18th Century Enlightenment, Individualism, Deism and Unitarianism [cf. Kelly’s ‘Four Fractures in the American Founding,’ 2022]. Douthat sees America as moving away from some form of traditional Protestant Christianity, but Orthodoxy might see America as simply continuing on the path on which it started from the beginning as a nation when its adherence to Nicene Christianity was tenuous at best …

In some ways the Polarization of American Politics reflects the problems which heresies in American religious thinking have caused. Or perhaps it is the other way around, American religious trends are simply mirroring or aping what is going on in American politics. In a media driven culture, all ideas of leadership or leaders whether religious or secular become not only shaped by but even more so driven by the media. Douthat identifies two tendencies with heretical implications in American religious thinking: ‘Messianism and Apocalypticism’ in which either America and its religious leaders are going to save the world by their grand ideas or bring it all to a decisive end …

Both Christian Liberals and Conservatives, cultural accommodationists and resistors, made the same mistake of assuming that the threat to Christianity was ‘Secular Unbelief.’ Douthat however proposes that the real threat to Christianity was one growing in the Church: ‘Pseudo versions of Christian thinking.’ Heretical in the sense that they didn’t deny Christianity, but rather focused on some small part of it and ignored the rest, thus distorting it and ‘reshaping it’ into versions that suited each person’s own criterion. Everyone could create their own Jesus, modeled in their personal image and likeness. Everyone could form their own church, a version of Christianity that suited their sensibilities and certainly didn’t challenge their own values …

[But] Perhaps the most obvious arena in which American Christians have had a different attitude than Christians historically have had is in relation to wealth. Christ, the itinerant Preacher, Himself lived a rather impoverished life and never pursued wealth. He taught that one cannot serve God and Mammon (Matthew 6:19- 34; Luke 16:13-31). The New Testament has several warnings and woes for those who are rich or who pursue wealth (for examples, see Luke 6:20-25; 1 Timothy 6:9-10; James 1:10-11). And the Epistle of James portrays the rich as those who persecute the Christians and who face a wrathful judgment from God (James 2:6-7; 5:1-6) …

[Douthat writes:] ‘The Prosperity Gospel … is a message that’s tailored less to the very rich than to the middle and working classes—to people who are hardworking but financially insecure, who feel that they have to think about money all the time because they’re trying to make more of it, and who want to be reassured that their striving is in accordance with God’s plan rather than a threat to their salvation … It is just as likely to involve ministers who prosper by flattering their upwardly mobile, American Dreaming congregations, telling them to keep on striving and praying, because God wants them to keep up with the Joneses next door’” (p 190).”

DK. I therefore conclude this section precisely here, since I believe our fouled doctrinal root system, our history of aggressive and even violent acquisition of lands, the American reinvention of a kinder, gentler Jesus who does not judge but rather only loves, and our 300-year fascination with the accumulation of wealth has left the Church naked and impotent and fundamentally guilty of Dr. Francis Schaeffer’s Ultimate Sin:

“Accommodation to the World Spirit” (The Great Evangelical Disaster, 1984).

More directly, the American Church in a fit of desperation, struck a Faustian Bargain: If a Messianic political leader can ‘protect the faith’ (i.e., The American Dream), then we promise to look the other way if that leader happens to step on some Canonical toes.

Ergo: Trump’s Christian Nationalism, the Loss of Truth in the Church, and the inevitable Destruction of the American Order (with ramifications for the entire World Order).

1. THE TEACHING

SCRIPTURE. “But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the Lord your God who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to draw you away from the way in which the Lord your God has commanded you to walk. So you shall remove the evil from among you.” – DEUTERONOMY 13:5, AMP

For the record, all that I’ve written so far is to establish a theological beachhead for what follows. That is to say, the documented evidence for an entire history America’s doctrinal weakness helps us to understand why ‘our prevailing Soteriology of the Church is soft.’

As with pretty much everything else about the American Church these days.

KEY TERMS. So now to our standard drill down on the key concepts that drive this rich, conceptual passage.

• DREAMER. A fascinating choice of term that speaks volumes about what God thinks of liars in His own house. From the Hebrew, ‘Chalam’ [חָלַם]: “Likened to a sense of dumbness; refers in this context to the dreams of false prophets; e.g., Jeremiah 29:8, ‘Do not let your prophets and your diviners who are in your midst deceive you;’ a fanciful man; a visionary; one who forms or entertains vain schemes.”

• DEATH. God’s ultimate and unmovable Judgment of false diviners is death. From the Hebrew root term, ‘Muth’ [מוּת]: “To die, kill, or slay; to have one executed [for a serious breach of the Law; Scripture makes clear that a holy God takes no pleasure in such drastic punishment, though necessary to preservation of the Truth].” DK. Will be forgiven only by sincere (and often public) Repentance to Jesus Christ, whose Death shall under that condition fully cover this serious sin.

• REBELLION. The word used here is ‘Sarah’ [סָרָה]: “A criminal turning away from the Law; the counsel of Apostasy; a departure from the Canon, the Truth of God’s Word; ‘a defection’ from man’s relationship to God; considered a total opposition to the Lord; ‘a betrayal’ or withdrawal from the Covenant; a ‘revolt [from God’s authority];’ an open and avowed renunciation of the legitimacy of the government to which one owes allegiance; insurrection or overthrow [of Divine Order].”

• REMOVE. Here we find God’s purpose for being severe: To keep His holy house clean! And, therefore, why He so despises “false teachers and prophets” who dare to pollute those sacred places. From the Hebrew, ‘Ba’ar’ [בָּעַר]: “To kindle, completely consume or burn by fire; brutish [or severe]; to utterly separate evil and its associate guilt [from the pure]; to destroy the stupid, dull-hearted, unreceptive; of inhuman, cruel, barbarous men who are ignorant of God.”

• EVIL. Here we have God’s Arch Foe, His Nemesis, as all that emanates from Satan’s wicked kingdom. From the term, ‘Ra’ [רַע]: “That which is [severely] bad, disagreeable, malignant; moral deficiency, noxious, injurious; a calamity that happens to someone; wickedness, mischievousness; improper sacrifices; [deeply] unpleasing in the eyes of God;  unpleasant, giving pain, unhappiness, misery; of the Divine Spirit as producing an ecstatic state of frenzy and violence; distress, adversity.”

COMMENTARY. “‘And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death’– Which death, according to the Targum of Jonathan, was to be killed with the sword: ‘Because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God; or ‘spoken revolt against the Lord’- High Treason against Him,’ delivering out doctrine that tends to cause His subjects to rebel against Him, and revolt from Him; and therefore he is justly deserving of death, to draw off a people from him he had been so good and kind unto; so that to apostasy would be added the sin of ingratitude.

‘Which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage’ – And so was not only their Lord by Creation whom they ought to serve, but by redemption, which laid them under double obligation to serve Him:

To thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in; not by external force, but by the power of persuasion, by enticing words and arguments: ‘So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee;’ the evil man, by putting him to death, and the evil of idolatry, by not listening to the words of the false prophet. ‘Apostasiam;’ ‘Defectionem.’” – JOHN GILL, An Exposition of the Old and New Testament, 1746-1763; edited

DK. Therefore, in the context of this present discussion, all the false teachings and distortions and accommodations to worldly or secular ideas and philosophies have worked over the centuries to this present CRISIS  OF TRUTH. More specifically, it has created massive confusion over just what it means to be a Christian, a true and obedient follower of The Christ.

The next section will mark out the distinct differences in opinion over that debate, the results of which must be made clear, or multitudes shall perish in the Valley of Decision.

“Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision (judgment)! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision [when judgment is executed].” – JOEL 3:14, AMP

Consider well what follows, beloved. Lives do depend on it.

1. OSAS VS. PERSEVERANCE

I have literally had second, third, and umpteenth thoughts about daring to take this on in so brief a space, but I must try. The issues are enormously complex, the terminology obscure and sometimes outright confusing, the breadth of the theological history overwhelming.

But here we go anyway.

ERRORS IN THE OSAS DOCTRINE. After a rigorous search of the Biblical literature on this controversial topic, I settled on one that offered the most theologically accurate, yet balanced view of this crucial matter.

It was penned by a Ukrainian pastor, Bible scholar and author, VLADIMIR SAVCHUK, in an essay entitled, “Debunking ‘Once Saved Always Saved’” (May 11, 2022). Here he outlines NINE MAJOR ISSUES that effectively address and clarify why indeed:

A Christian may ‘choose’ to forfeit their salvation.

• INTRODUCTION. “This doctrine teaches that salvation can never be lost, despite the lifestyle you lead or the actions you take–even if it means denying Jesus and turning your back on Him. This view is based on Romans 8 and John 10 which in summary state that nothing can separate us from the love of God, and that Jesus’ sheep have eternal life, and no one can pluck them out of His hand.” DK: The “Love of God” does not mean His salvation.

1. SALVATION IS BY GRACE, NOT WORKS. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God” (Ephesians 2:8). VLAD: We are not saved by doing good works, and we don’t maintain our salvation by doing good works. God’s Divine grace saves and sustains us. The grace of God saves but it also teaches us to ‘deny sin.’ DK: If not, then why bother obeying God at all!

• BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS HAVE ASSURANCE OF SALVATION. “And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life” (1 John 5:11-13). VLAD: Having an assurance of salvation is different from having evidence of salvation. The evidence of salvation is manifested through changes in a person’s conduct and character. The New Birth produces a new nature which results in a new lifestyle. DK: If there is no fruit, there is no faith!

• IT IS POSSIBLE FOR BELIEVERS TO ‘TURN AWAY’ FROM CHRIST. “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they FALL AWAY, to be brought back to repentance, because to THEIR LOSS they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace” (Hebrews 6:4-6). VLAD: The Epistle of Hebrews was written to Jewish believers who had put their faith in Jesus Christ as their Messiah and Savior. They came under pressure and persecution to return to the Synagogue and the Jewish religion. During this, some capitulated and turned away from Christ. They returned to Judaism which refutes the Gospel’s message of salvation–redemption exclusively through faith in Christ’s sacrifice of blood on the Cross. This passage especially speaks to them. DK: And to all of us! 

• JOHN WESLEY’S CRITIQUE. “No virgin’s lamp can go out (Matthew 25:8); No promising harvest can be choked with thorns (Matthew 13:7); No branch in Christ can ever be cut off for not abiding (John 15:6); No forgiveness can ever be forfeited (Matthew 18:32); No name can be blotted out of God’s book (Revelation 3:5; Exodus 32:33); No salt can ever lose its flavor (Matthew 5:13). DK: He called it, “The doctrine of devils!” If Calvin is right, then Christ is wrong!

• 1 JOHN 5:2 OFTEN MISINTERPRETED. “Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us” (1 John 2:18-19). VLAD: Not everyone who comes to the front of the church or raises their hand to pray the sinner’s prayer is born again. But to say that every person who walks away from Christ is an antichrist and was never saved is a huge stretch.

• LOGICAL CONTRADICTIONS. For example, they say, “Once you are born again, you can’t be unborn,” and therefore you can’t lose your salvation. But there are many spirit beings who were once children of God. For instance, there were angelic beings like Lucifer and the others who took part in his Rebellion and are now outside of God’s family. The Bible often uses the picture of a family and marriage to illustrate the spiritual reality of belonging to God. But, everyone knows that you can disown your own family, and even divorce your spouse. The Scriptures are clear–a believer can backslide, a coin can get lost, sheep can go astray, and a son can become prodigal. A backslider is on dangerous ground and needs to be challenged to repentance, lest his Backsliding leads to Apostasy.

• CHRISTIANS CAN FORFEIT THEIR SALVATION. “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. They shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand” (John 10:27). VLAD: We are convinced that true believers will enjoy the assurance of their salvation. We need not be afraid of ‘losing’ our salvation like a wallet dropping from a pocket in a careless moment. The Scriptures assure us as believers of God’s provision and of the sustaining power of His Holy Spirit. Acknowledging that there is a real danger in backsliding and that we are able to abandon our salvation, does not mean that we should live in continual fear of doing the unthinkable.

• CHRISTIANS ‘LOSE’ SALVATION BY PRACTICING LAWLESSNESS. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who ‘practice lawlessness!’” (Matthew 7:21-23). VLAD: If a believer continually, deliberately, willfully, and knowingly practices living a sinful lifestyle, they place themselves on ‘dangerous ground’. “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of JUDGMENT and of raging FIRE that will consume the enemies of God (Hebrews 10:26-31).” DK: Only we, and not others, are free to opt us out!

• THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN BE TAKEN AWAY. God took His Spirit away from King Saul, even though Saul, in the beginning, was counted among the prophets, prophesied, and spoke in tongues (see 1 Kings 10:9-13 & 16:14). Another Scripture points out that King David, in repentance, cried out to God to not take His Spirit from him. Example: “Do not banish me from Your presence, and don’t take Your Holy Spirit from me!” (Psalms 51:11).

VLAD’S FINAL THOUGHT. “The Scriptures consistently teach us that man has the power of ‘freely choosing’ between life and death, and God will never violate that power.” A true believer can willfully choose to apostatize, reject God’s grace, and forfeit their salvation. We are safe and secure in Jesus but, if we ultimately reject Him, we forfeit our secure standing in Him. Nonetheless, we can rest assured that God’s grace, which saved us in the first place, is ever-present to warn, check, encourage, and sustain us.”

Now that’s a lot for one session, but I have been wrestling with this matter for years, and felt compelled to codify my ongoing suspicions about the OSAS domination of a largely Apostate American Church. Or to say it another way:

If the shoe fits, well.

• LAST THOUGHTS

So rather than try once more for a whoop de doo close, I think I’ll just pen a few personalized final thoughts for y’all to ponder as we digest all this doctrinal squabble.

In my well-studied opinion beloved, first Augustine and then Calvin some 1,000 years later laid the foundation for the Greatest Apostasy in the history of the entire Church worldwide. In effect they said: ‘Perseverance is a ‘Gift of God’ and not a free will choice by the believer.’ This of course drastically abrogates from the individual all possible responsibility for ‘Choosing’ between Good and Evil.

We are thereby rendered automatons, spiritual robots absolutely “free” to do anything we wish. This, my friends, is HERESY WRIT LARGE!

BACKSLIDING VS. APOSTASY. To sum up then, the cavalier way we’ve been treating “Backsliding” for generations now leaves us with the impression that it’s a common thing, and not to worry about it; this too shall surely pass since, ahem:

“Once saved, brother, always saved!”

As our beloved Pastor from Ukraine put it, ‘Sustained Backsliding’ is extremely dangerous ground, betraying a patent absence of a fear of the Lord. It’s as if to say, “No big deal, this temporary setback. God is good, ‘He’ll wait.’”

And before you know it, that individual is so inured by returning to the world, his heart hardens, and God looks at this ‘Renegade from faith’ and says, indeed:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, ‘but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.’ Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ – JESUS OF NAZARETH, Matthew 7:21-23, New King James

No, this does not refer to those who were never born again. Indeed, they were likely life-long Church attendees, or even pastors, who had long before concluded that Confession and Belief are all there is to being saved.

Or in the words of an erudite classical theologian, commenting on the use of the word, ‘Apostasia’ [ἀποστασία, ‘defection, revolt, apostasy’] in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 to describe “The Great Falling Away” of the Church in the Last Days, this.

“‘That falling away’ must undoubtedly imply that the persons so apostatising had formerly held (or, perhaps, still professed to hold) the Christian faith: ‘Men cannot fall from ground which they never occupied.’ This vast and dreadful Apostasy (see Luke 18:8), so clearly and prominently taught of to the Ancient Church.” – CHARLES ELLICOTT, An Old and New Testament Commentary for English Readers, 1878, 1897; edited

So beloved, only those who valiantly, lovingly persevere and struggle and suffer for Him to keep the fires lit, “get to go.” It is as simple and wondrous and electrifying as that. I simply cannot, in Christian conscience, teach anything different.

May God help me.  DK

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